Media and the Truth

[Primemuscle]

1. A lot of the issues surrounding Germany's involvement in WWII have been produced in Hollywood studios. The facts do not match that which is presented in the movies.

2. No, the Hitler avatars are unrelated but welcome on this website since complete freedom of speech is welcome on this site. The exceptions are violations of copyright, libelous speech and so on. But people can cite whatever views they want on here. communists would be welcome to share their views on this board.

3. I'm not sure about PHIT, but I do not believe assertions made in movies which are presented with no evidence and especially assertions which have been used to slander Germans and the European people for the past 50+ years.



This board welcomes communists also, who Hitler despised.

Matt,

There is no doubt that absolute truth and historical accuracy is not the focus of movies produced anywhere by pretty much anyone, even those advertised as documentaries. What they are is theatrical productions designed largely to attract an audience, make money and perhaps convey the producer’s and/or director’s opinion. We live in a time when everything is given a “spin” to prove someone’s point. Don’t just lay the blame for this on the movie industry because it spreads much farther than that. All media is subject to falsities and outright lies.

Unfortunately, as the folks who witnessed, participated in or were surviving victims of WWII are dying, some of their truths die with them. Indeed, even memories fade and become convoluted overtime. So, one cannot really rely on memories for an accurate account of history.

It seems to me that folks have a hard time living in the present, regardless of their perspective on WWII and the Holocaust. I believe it is safe to accept that genocide took place during Hitler’s reign. As to the actual numbers of folks murdered during that time as a result of the genocide, is a count really necessary? I think it isn’t. There is genocide happening around the world today. This is something we might be able to alter. Therefore this is something worth discussing and becoming involved in. If six million Jews died during the Holocaust, that’s a horrific shame. However, nothing we do today will change that or bring them back. Better we concentrate on our issues in the here and now.

Some folks believe the Holocaust never happened. I believe these folks have a serious issue with denial or they are so far removed from it that it simply has no place in their thoughts. For example, my daughter-in-law who was born generations after WWII is German. Her family lived then and now in rural Germany. Most rural country folk of that time had no concept of what was happening, except as it pertained to their personal safety. There were no gas chambers or prison camps in their small village. For the most part, their concerns were about day-to-day personal survival and not for world political power struggles or beliefs. They were simply regular people as are you and I for the most part. I don’t know this personally, I know this because this is what my daughter-in-law remembers her parents saying about the war.

Perhaps because of the presumed scale of the Holocaust, it stands out in our minds as the main example of one of man’s atrocities perpetuated on their fellow human beings. In fact, a study of history shows that we’re a fairly brutal creature. As a species, we kill our own kind more than do most other species on this planet. It is also interesting to note that we kill for power, principal and emotional reasons. Other species mainly kill for food/survival. This is a fact and not just something the motion picture industry, I or the media thought up to turn a profit or make a point.

Prime

[w8m8]

First off , it's pleasant to see you on a different board Prime and before I turn in for the night I wanted to leave a thought I just had whilst reading your post... then I'm crawling in bed with some ice cream and MMA

There was a story just the other day :

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/17/world/main5685194.shtml

it seems to me this pertains to your statement of how the people who may have witnessed anything are dying

what does anyone think would be regarded as truth from a 90 yr old man , would he not seem "deranged" when he denies allegations ?
and
what will be gained from persecuting him , except for the satisfaction of others ?

and add a personal statement of

I'm personally disgusted in the "hunt" of him and others like him being integrated generations later

so I need some clarity as to where the " holocaust " is different than said "hunt"

[Dan Duchaine]

There is no doubt that absolute truth and historical accuracy is not the focus of movies produced anywhere by pretty much anyone, even those advertised as documentaries. What they are is theatrical productions designed largely to attract an audience, make money and perhaps convey the producer’s and/or director’s opinion. We live in a time when everything is given a “spin” to prove someone’s point. Don’t just lay the blame for this on the movie industry because it spreads much farther than that. All media is subject to falsities and outright lies.

Unfortunately, as the folks who witnessed, participated in or were surviving victims of WWII are dying, some of their truths die with them. Indeed, even memories fade and become convoluted overtime. So, one cannot really rely on memories for an accurate account of history.

It seems to me that folks have a hard time living in the present, regardless of their perspective on WWII and the Holocaust. I believe it is safe to accept that genocide took place during Hitler’s reign. As to the actual numbers of folks murdered during that time as a result of the genocide, is a count really necessary? I think it isn’t. There is genocide happening around the world today. This is something we might be able to alter. Therefore this is something worth discussing and becoming involved in. If six million Jews died during the Holocaust, that’s a horrific shame. However, nothing we do today wil... blah blah, gay blah; yawn snip

"All mass media is subject to outright lies"...

... expect when talking about the holohoax which 'obviously' happened :rolleyes:

Fuck off you cunt!

Every movie on the holohoax is produced, funded and disseminated through a nigh on exclusively jewish fucking media; the reason being to keep said hoax fresh in the minds of every dumb gentile thus enabling the fomenting of a collective white guilt in every deracinated white fool that watches the crap.

Thusly these films exist for no other reason than to slander the collective population of indigenous Europeans whilst establishing a'poor jews' meme in the minds of many others.

You have ZERO evidence of gas chambers, ZERO evidence of a systematic plan to slaughter the jewish population of WWII Germnay, and ZERO fucking rebuttle when asked 'why can we not discuss this in Europe for fear of legal repurcussion!

By the way, you now have two options: a) you can come back and say 'well yeah, we should be able to discuss this in Europe' and after I will say "well done, you are now an anti semitie", and b) you can state you agree with such jew created dicatatorial policy across Europe, after which you reveal yourself for the pro jew faggot I know you are!

Honestly, I dont generally have shit against gays, stuff whatever you want up your asshole; but for deracinated homos such as you that are keen to suck the tits of jew born gay pride movements - of which exist for no other reason than as a manifestation of jewish frankfurt school critical theory desinged to destory white societies - I would gladly fetch the rope... that was fetch, not feltch, you sick fucking bender!


cunt!

[Dan Duchaine]

great post dan!!

[Dan Duchaine]

yes, yes it was!!

[Matt C]

Prime,

Can you explain to me why even asking questions about the holocaust is illegal in Europe?

Look at what happened to European Parliament member Bruno Gollnisch, he was convicted of "hate speech". How on earth is his statement below somehow "hate speech"? So it's illegal to even QUESTION the holocaust?

So critical thinking is illegal in Europe? Why is that Prime?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Gollnisch

I do not question the existence of concentration camps but historians could discuss the number of deaths. As to the existence of gas chambers, it is up to historians to speak their minds ("de se déterminer").

^^^ BRUNO GOLLNISCH WAS CONVICTED OF A HATE CRIME FOR SAYING THIS.

[Bruce Almighty]

Notice how despite ALL of the vicious anti-white and anti-German slander created by Jewish controlled Hollywood, women STILL preferred Aryan/Germanic Gunter over ANY OTHER BODYBUILDER.

LOL.

You just can't defeat a woman's instincts! Nor any human being's. They know the score, despite the propaganda.

[Dan Duchaine]

why to go fucking up the thread by posting those attachments.

Matt, by the time you read this, I will have deleted my account.

[w8m8]

I don't think this is going any further ... }sarcastically spoken{ ... thanks Bruce

I had a bit of hopes of at least seeing one conversation emerge for a miinute


cest la vie'


it's never gonna change , people make one statement , say their piece then let it alone , woulda shoulda coulda been interesting/enlightening in a way

I for one cannot wrap my head around the whole Illegal to speak thing and I can't ever see when the firm believers of the "holocaust" got their solid stance from

especially given the notion that they themselves admit to media bias



ah well fuck it
I'm going to earn my paycheck and pay taxes for more immigrants salvation


and yes .. good post Dan

[Bobby]

Making an open discussion on the holocaust illegal is a great way to get rid of the competition, the nay sayers, everyone that disagrees with you simply are removed...

To protect a lie you need to do all you can. For the truth, you need nothing as it just is...

[w8m8]

I ponder things like this ... I have issues with supression .. I think sometimes that unless people are compiling writings that have been viewed as "hate mongering" .. "racist" ... etc. the future generations .. let's say 3 or 4 from this present one .... will be all left with exactly what as far as personal feelings/thoughts/beliefs .. it seems like the more time passes the more fervent the fight to control all naysayers disbelievers


Within five minutes, any intelligent, open-minded person can be convinced that the Holocaust gassings of World War II are a profitable hoax


http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm

[Bobby]

I ponder things like this ... I have issues with supression .. I think sometimes that unless people are compiling writings that have been viewed as "hate mongering" .. "racist" ... etc. the future generations .. let's say 3 or 4 from this present one .... will be all left with exactly what as far as personal feelings/thoughts/beliefs .. it seems like the more time passes the more fervent the fight to control all naysayers disbelievers


Within five minutes, any intelligent, open-minded person can be convinced that the Holocaust gassings of World War II are a profitable hoax


http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm

that's were it fails, most are not and they refuse to accept that they have believed a lie for so long.

they have been tought from day 1 that anyone that denies the holocaust is 'bad' this indoctrination is very efficient!

[w8m8]

As a species, we kill our own kind more than do most other species on this planet.

It is also interesting to note that we kill for power, principal and emotional reasons.

Other species mainly kill for food/survival.

This is a fact and not just something the motion picture industry, I or the media thought up to turn a profit or make a point.



It's due to the fact we have the brain capacity to think of such things , not much different than mind control objectives set forth by banishing / punishing anyone who denies / speaks against what is fed to them as His-story

that is used for power aswell .. no ? who is gaining what in this situation ? :(

[w8m8]

that's were it fails, most are not and they refuse to accept that they have believed a lie for so long.

they have been tought from day 1 that anyone that denies the holocaust is 'bad' this indoctrination is very efficient!

efficient as far as inducing fears ... it's pretty clear that there are many people who are silent / unwilling / forbidden to speak out

[Matt C]

I don't think this is going any further ... }sarcastically spoken{ ... thanks Bruce

I had a bit of hopes of at least seeing one conversation emerge for a miinute


cest la vie'


it's never gonna change , people make one statement , say their piece then let it alone , woulda shoulda coulda been interesting/enlightening in a way

I for one cannot wrap my head around the whole Illegal to speak thing and I can't ever see when the firm believers of the "holocaust" got their solid stance from

especially given the notion that they themselves admit to media bias



ah well fuck it
I'm going to earn my paycheck and pay taxes for more immigrants salvation


and yes .. good post Dan

If a student in a course even has the ability to think critically and even asks and open minded and critically thought out question on the subject, he will be accused of an anti-semite. Thus any student who even possesses the ability to think critically will realize there is something suspicious about the entire concept of holocaust discussion. So who do the people who are promoting the official version of the holocaust story think they are fooling exactly? Anyone with even the slightest ability to think critically will not believe the official story.

Making an open discussion on the holocaust illegal is a great way to get rid of the competition, the nay sayers, everyone that disagrees with you simply are removed...

To protect a lie you need to do all you can. For the truth, you need nothing as it just is...

This last bit is absolutely true. Truth does not fear investigation.

[Bobby]

"Truth does not fear investigation"

I like that, think i'm gonna use it, make some holocaust denying videos on youtube, feelings will be hurt!

[Primemuscle]

why to go fucking up the thread by posting those attachments.

Matt, by the time you read this, I will have deleted my account.

One can only hope Dan will keep to his threat and leave this board. Personally, I find his propensity for hatemongering posts extremely annoying.

You will not be missed by me, Dan.

Prime

[Matt C]

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One can only hope Dan will keep to his threat and leave this board. Personally, I find his propensity for hatemongering posts extremely annoying.

You will not be missed by me, Dan.

Prime

Try to see beyond the harshness of his tone and analyze the facts that he presents, then say he is wrong if you think you can.

[Primemuscle]

Prime,

Can you explain to me why even asking questions about the holocaust is illegal in Europe?

Look at what happened to European Parliament member Bruno Gollnisch, he was convicted of "hate speech". How on earth is his statement below somehow "hate speech"? So it's illegal to even QUESTION the holocaust?

So critical thinking is illegal in Europe? Why is that Prime?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_Gollnisch



^^^ BRUNO GOLLNISCH WAS CONVICTED OF A HATE CRIME FOR SAYING THIS.

Thank you for posting the link to this information regarding Bruno Gollnisch. It is very interesting indeed.

I have lived in Europe. I also have both friends and family in Germany and France who I visit on a regular basis. Never have I experienced anything that would suggest critical thinking is illegal there. While not a main topic of conversation among my friends and family living in Europe, we have discussed the Holocaust and WWII.

Not that it is of any importance, but my heritage is WASP. In fact, I am proud to say that both my maternal and paternal ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War. They also participated in the Underground Railroad at the time of the Civil War. In contrast, my mother's father was reputed to have been in the KKK. I am not proud of that, nor could I ever agree with his racist views. However, I allow that he lived in a different time when some folks were too ignorant to see beyond their ancestor’s greed. My grandfather's forefathers owned a tobacco plantation and kept slaves in order to run it successfully. Is it not possible they cultured his negative, hateful and disrespectful thinking about African Americans?

Throughout all history and in the present there are people who perpetuate hatred and commit horrendous crimes against their fellow human beings for a variety of reasons....none of them valid, in my mind. I believe hateful thinking will eventually cause the end of human existence as we know it.

I will give you this, some Jewish people, just as white supremacists foster hatred towards other groups and individuals. Nothing about this kind of wrongful thinking is mutually exclusive. And nothing about this line of thinking is right.

I take it from some of the things you’ve stated in your posts that you are of German heritage. Let me remind you again that my daughter-in-law and my grandchildren are Germans living with my son in Germany. Unlike you, they have not taken up this argument regarding the validity of Holocaust. I doubt they feel their good character has been defamed my Hollywood’s depiction of it either.

Prime

[Primemuscle]

Try to see beyond the harshness of his tone and analyze the facts that he presents, then say he is wrong if you think you can.

Matt,

Don’t misinterpret what I wrote. I did not comment on whether Dan has his facts straight. I don’t care whether he is right or wrong. I wrote about his hateful approach to expressing them. He can believe as he chooses. That’s his right.

However, I cannot abide his degrading comments about, among other topics, gay folks. I am gay or bisexual depending on how one defines these things. Like many other gay people, I am a good person and I do not appreciate his judging us and slandering us in the way that he does. He is rude, but that is an understatement. His rudeness is minor compared to his expressed hatred towards folks he really doesn’t know. Not that I take his comments personally. The fact is, Dan does not know me or other folks on this website personally or even remotely. Therefore, any comment he makes about people he doesn't know is invalid.

Prime

[PHIT]

Matt,

Don’t misinterpret what I wrote. I did not comment on whether Dan has his facts straight. I don’t care whether he is right or wrong. I wrote about his hateful approach to expressing them. He can believe as he chooses. That’s his right.

However, I cannot abide his degrading comments about, among other topics, gay folks. I am gay or bisexual depending on how one defines these things. Like many other gay people, I am a good person and I do not appreciate his judging us and slandering us in the way that he does. He is rude, but that is an understatement. His rudeness is minor compared to his expressed hatred towards folks he really doesn’t know. Not that I take his comments personally. The fact is, Dan does not know me or other folks on this website personally or even remotely. Therefore, any comment he makes about people he doesn't know is invalid.

Prime

oh dear me , here lies the rub , you are a self righteous rationalizing fool

You think you are a good person why ?
Because you crave the cock but have a family that you "take care of" ?
Do you find it honorable to live the life you do ?
Lying next to a woman whom I would say has been faithful to you all these years , whilst dreaming of a hard cock gliding between your cheeks is "good" ?
Being on the internet adoring naked muscle bears when she's doing your laundry or cooking your meals is nice ?

I see hateful as you marrying a woman and breeding children with her knowing you are queer and really can't live openly and as happily in the world as an OPEN GAY MAN , so you chose to bring her into it .

Maybe she could have been way happier with a man who ONLY wanted her .

and

Please tell me how the fact you just said all that rhetoric regarding Duchaine is any different that what you are saying he did ?

all you sensitive fucking girly men have such thin skin it's ridiculous and the fact you drool over manly men just adds to the whole foolish appearances you bring onto yourselves

I do think you are the ones who want it rough , a big hunky guy on your back , driving it home

That's all good really , nobody cares , just don't bitch about shit you know nothing about

Saying people slander or hate is an outcry from insecure unknowledgable retards who cannot reply with facts to exhibit their beliefs

You bring in the fact your daughter in law is German for what purpose ? To cement your stance that you feel insulted about your dick licking fetish ?

come the fuck on already , people are talking about how history should be FACTUALLY interpreted by truths and people should be permitted to have freedom of thoughts and allowed to question what is fed to them

not your godamned femesque sexuality based crybaby reactions

Freedom is becoming awfully segregated , there's lotsa freedoms for jews , fags and niggers to say all they want about how much they are hated when anyone "dares" express one bit of disgust of their actions

[Matt C]

Please tell me how the fact you just said all that rhetoric regarding Duchaine is any different that what you are saying he did ?

This is true. Why is it that people say not to stereotype or assume to know someone when they themselves assume to know the people who they are directing those comments towards? So the message is that stereotyping is ok...to some people? People stereotype all "Neo-Nazis" while assuming to know everything about them. I am by some of the more loose definitions, a "Neo-Nazi", but for that matter virtually all definitions of that term are loose. Is it not possible for me to review WWII German era material with a critical eye and not immediately subscribe to the notions presented in Hollywood movies? Does that make me a Neo-Nazi?

This is how I view Neo-Nazi David Duke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HphU2hXT0k

3HphU2hXT0k

Prime, just try to understand that Dan Duchaine has a hostile tone but it has played a huge part in my shift in judgment and a huge part in my new knowledge on how the world works. He has helped me more than pretty well anyone to wake up to the realities of the world. I try to look beyond his hostile tone and look at his facts, and his facts are almost always rock solid. Yes, he is hostile. But is he wrong?

Freedom is becoming awfully segregated , there's lotsa freedoms for jews , fags and niggers to say all they want about how much they are hated when anyone "dares" express one bit of disgust of their actions

This is very true. In my city, a violent event took place consisting of a group of Aboriginal youths [aged 16-18] and a group of gay men arouned aged 30. Guess what? The leftists who took the side of the gay men IMMEDIATELY called it a hate-crime and plenty of them still blamed the white majority!

Even when this incident had NOTHING to do with straight white males, they still got blamed.

Anyone who tried to point this out of course was immediately called racist. People even went on to defend Aboriginals and accuse the European Canadian majority of being oppressors. Even when Aboriginals and homosexuals perpetrate the events, whites are blamed. It is vile and offensive. The message board for the group is here:

www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=151120116418

You can also run a google search for "Jake Raynard", "hate crime", and other key words and you will learn more.

I got kicked out of the group and this was the reason I was given:

Matt, I regret to inform you that I have felt the need to ban you from our group as your posts have consistently violated our group policy of creating a safe community space whereby individuals can have respectful, courteous, open and supportive dialogue.

The only thing I did was have a different opinion! Here is a group of people who claim to be "liberal" and "open-minded" and I got banned from their group for politely expressing an opinion different than their own! Go read my posts if you don't believe me.

These people DO NOT want diversity. They want everyone to think exactly like they do - the very opposite of diversity. Nor do they want people to stop being judged for sexuality as they continue to judge heterosexuals for exactly that! It is a disgusting double standard and that is why I detest these speciously named "equality" movements.

[Bobby]

That was a wonderful video!