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  • #76
    Posing Suits

    Jean-Philipp,

    Yes, you might be right. Darrem Charles here is wearing only the very, very essentials (lighting has a light to do with it too).

    Thom
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    • #77
      Posing suits, or not

      Hey, my name is Stephen Dunn and I'm new to this board. I think it's a great idea. I'm not a professional bodybuilder, or even an amateur, but I work out at least an hour or two every day, and right now I'm in excellent shape (I'm 24). I really admire the guys who can devote their lives to bodybuilding, and wish I could be one of them. I think my situation might be different from most of you other guys. I live in rural Wisconsin, and we don't have a gym or a club anywhere close to here. So my buddies and I work out in our garages or barns or basements. Some of us have better equipment or different equipment than others, so we all share what we have.

      I think this thread on posing suits is pretty interesting. One of the first comments was by a guy who wrote: Don't get me wrong, I have no objections to the women wearing less, but I think the men best stay covered up. The guy doesn't explain this double standard, and his opinion doesn't make much sense to me. In fact, where I come from, the opposite is true. Women generally are more careful about their bodies, and it's the guys who don't care who sees what. When we work out in the winter, we wear sweats, but when we work out in the summer, we're usually in just shorts, and often naked if it's really hot. We skinny dip in the lakes and rivers, and sleep in the buff. None of us ever wears a shirt if we don't have to. If we're playing a game of football no one wears a shirt. If one of the guys gets his shorts ripped off during a rough tackle, he doesn't run home. He plays in what's left of the shorts, or naked , if nothing is left. Guys here don't really care too much about that stuff.

      So when bodybuilders are posing for people to look at their bodies, I agree with the guys who say naked makes the most sense. We all do that when we're working out and posing. I found some pictures to illustrate what I mean. If you check out the guy on the right, his suit is so small, that you really have to wonder why he bothers to wear anything at all. Once a suit gets this tiny, you might as well not wear it. The guy in the middle has a bigger suit, but it just looks stupid. Itmakes him look WORSE, and takes away from an otherwise good form. They guy on the right is the one who seems the most natural. To me, he represents a complete bodybuilder. It isn't perverted, or sexual, or obscene. He's what we all are, or what we all try to be. I think this would be great on stage. Posing suits are just a waste of time.

      Stephen Dunn
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      • #78
        Posing suits, or not

        Hey Stephen,

        Great illustrations on the idea of posing with or without suits. As you know by now, I agree with you. And it looks as if some professionals agree with you as well. Found a series of these photos at a professional bodybuilding site just this morning.

        Joey
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        • #79
          Posing Suits

          Joseph,

          Your photos got me thinking... there have been over 25,000 hits to this thread. A lot of people must be interested in this topic, even if they're unwilling to say so. I wondered if there were professional bodybuilders who also might be interested in this. So I did a quick web search, and almost right away, I found Chris Dickerson, a great poser, and not afraid to show it. So maybe all this is a bigger deal to us on the outside, and those who are in the thick of it don't see it as negative at all. If I kept searching, how many more would I find?

          Stephen Dunn
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          • #80
            more Professionals

            Stephen,

            You asked, "If I kept searching, how many more would I find?"

            For one thing, you'd find Frank Sepe, shown here.

            Jean-Philipp
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            • #81
              (no) posing suit

              Don't forget Tom Prince!
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              • #82
                Posing Suits

                There has been an ongoing and lively discussion and many postings in this thread regarding what bodybuilders should or shouldn't wear in bodybuilding contests. With regards to the nature of this website and its intent, I believe we are moving off topic in some of the more recent postings of guys in the buff.

                While I realize the line between what is considered by some to be pornographic or acceptable is very fine, as moderator I encourage those posting to consider other's sensibilities when posting photos of bodybuilders representing their points of view. Specifically, in my opinion, a photo of a man who is known to be a porn star wearing only a ripped singlet and sporting an erection is off topic regardless of how buff he is or hot looking to some.

                I ask you to consider that this is not listed as an “adult” website. It is a website about bodybuilding and anything that relates to that. Before posting a photo or a link, consider whether you would want a twelve year old to view the photo or follow the link. There are literally thousands of websites that do cater to an adult audience where all manner of photos and links are welcome.

                Please understand that as a moderator, it is not my intent to impose my personal standards on others who post here, but rather the standards of this website. On a personal level, I do not oppose pornography. When it comes to men or women posing nude in bodybuilding contests or in photos, I am personally all for it. The human body is beautiful and no part of it should evoke shame or embarrassment.

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                • #83
                  A different take

                  Well, things seem to have died down since the last posting. Let's see if we can get this going again.

                  I propose a different point of view on this topic. Where I come from in rural Wisconsin, nakedness among guys is not a big deal. In fact, in situations like skinny dipping or working out, it's both common and unremarkable. I also understand that in a more urban and public environment, it's a different story. However, even though I understand that this is the case, I still don't understand why.

                  And given that in such a circumstance as bodybuilding, where the end and means both involve being as naked as possible, it makes no sense to me that a tiny bit of cloth for the Inhibited would be at all necessary - or even desired. Are we really that afraid of ourselves and each other?

                  So now I'm looking at this topic from another perspective. Would it make any sense at all to put a posing suit on Michelangelo's statue of David? Or on a classic Greek masterpiece? Or on a da Vinci drawing? Of course, the answer is no - it would be ridiculous and strange. These are great works of art that are not viewed as pornographic or lewd. In fact, to cover them up would actually expose the absurdity of our fears of our own bodies.

                  So why then do we view the very things on which these works of art are modeled (our bodies) as shameful? Somehow, our priorities got perverted. Our culture glorifies the artistic representation, but not the reality. In my opinion, that's backwards.

                  So take a look at these five scans. I think it will become very clear that nudity is not obscene or wrong or embarrassing. It is the beautiful and honest source of beauty and art that all civilizations have valued for thousands of years.

                  We should be embracing this idea in bodybuilding, not wincing from it. The completely perfect body is the goal of both the participant and the audience. Once you see how ludicrous covering up great works of art really is, you can apply that fresh point of reference to the nude bodybuilder: In a posing suit, he looks fragmented and awkward. In the nude, he represents the complete and perfectly developed man. His body is the reason for bodybuilding competitions in the first place.

                  I hope these photos illustrate just how silly it is to cover up any of that hard-won perfection.

                  Stephen Dunn
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                  • #84
                    Stephen,

                    I am a very visual person. Your visuals make an excellent point.

                    Good job posting!

                    Primemuscle

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                    • #85
                      a different take

                      Stephen,
                      Thanks for the very interesting and creative approach on this subject. Indeed wat would museums be like if all these masterpieces were covered up! Remember that there has been a time when this actually happened, covering up of statues!! That has changed in more recent years; till about 1880 there were lots of people in favor of this practice of covering up. We can't imagine that now anymore. Perhaps the same change can take place in bodybuilding in our time as well, so in the end people in the future might look wondering at the images of bodybuilders posing in suits of nowadays. When I look at the contests these days, noticing the minimal cover up so many bodybuilders wear, it is not so very far away perhaps that contests posing routines will be performed nude. For that a different view on contests and on bodybuilders will be necessairy. Like you say, the body as art, has to become the object more and more. Your contribution to this discussion will I think help change the negative attitude that now still exists on nude posing in competition. All the same this topic draws a great number of readers, so after all it is a topic that arouses much interest. May be the idea for bodybuilders posing nude in contests is not so contrary to the mind of bodybuilders as many officials still like to think.
                      Again, great post, thanks.
                      Ed.

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                      • #86
                        Posing Suits

                        Ed,

                        Your ideas make sense. Hopefully, in the near future, posing nude will be accepted simply as posing. Maybe some encouragement towards that change can come from some of the professionals out there...

                        Jean-Philipp
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                        • #87
                          Another Try

                          Wow, over 32,000 hits on this topic alone. It's obvious people are interested, though no one's talking much. I'll try another take on this subject. Let me know what you think.

                          Several days ago, I was talking with some buddies of mine while we were working out. I told them about this board, and about this current thread (some of them may be signing on and contributing as well). To a man, they agreed that the time of the posing suit is long past. We couldn't think of anyone we know who truly might be bothered simply by a naked body, so we decided to test that.

                          We got a group of friends together (both men and women, though admitedly, mostly all men) and had an impromptu bodybuilding contest of our own. Now this took place in a pole barn, so it was by no means official - just an experiment. Three of us competed in posing suits, and four of us competed nude. Guess what. Once the audience got over the initial surprise at total nudity, they actually preferred it. And not for its sexual or prurient interest either; I doubt my best friend's father was looking at any of us that way.

                          When we asked them why they preferred nudity over suits, we got a universal - though very basic answer. I should have thought to have had some photos taken, but I didn't, so I'm using these two pictures as illustrations.

                          The main point everyone made is that when they saw the first guys, their eyes were immediately drawn to the colored suits. The suits pulled their attention AWAY from the bodybuilder, and TO the very part of the body that our modest society requires we cover up. And then, once they were looking at the suits, their minds started to diseminate them, looking at what they were hiding.

                          A suit actually works against a bodybuilder, in that it acts as its own center of focus and attention. It creates a sense of something hidden, something shameful, or something embarrassing. It REINFORCES the social "problem" that it is trying to correct. The nude bodybuilder doesn't have this distraction at all. It is true that initially, it's surprising and a little odd to be looking at a completely naked man who is posing and showing off his body for you. But once the context is accepted (a bodybuilding contest) and once you accept that he's just one of several men peforming this way, you can relax and take in the beauty of the natural body; the complete picture of a well-muscled, and well-put together man.

                          And contrary to what everyone expected, our audience's eyes did not focus on the nudity itself, but were freed by it to see the body as it is truly intended to be. We had a 100% agreement that bodybuildig contests ought to be held in the nude. And that surprised a few in our audience, because they went into this experiment expecting to see something as pornographic or lewd. Instead, they were caught up in the contest, and in bodybuilding as a great sport, and they came away with the feeling that the body isn't a thing of shame at all.

                          Stephen Dunn
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                          • #88
                            Faker

                            Stephen,

                            You argue that less (or nothing) is better when it comes to bodybuilders posing. This could be true, I’m not sure. Your argument doesn’t follow suit though. By that I mean you make too much of your point. This would apply to both the written word in which you overstate and repeat your argument and your attached photographs which are hardly an honest representation of anything pertaining to pro bodybuilding.

                            Frankly, I have doubts about your story in which a bunch of guys and a few women spontaneously have a mock bodybuilding contest in a pole barn with half of them nude and the other half dressed in posers. Tell me this; did any of the women pose sans posers? Actual photographs, had that been possible might have helped make your story more believable. However, I suspect it is difficult, if not impossible, to photograph something that is completely born of your fantasies.

                            So you attach what are supposed to be representative photographs. One of them is of a guy wearing a poser where we can’t help but notice his equipment because the photograph is morphed to make it appear that his posing suit is transparent. The other one is taken from a nude male contest of some sort that has absolutely nothing to do with bodybuilding. Give me a break!

                            I have no issues with nudity. If at some point bodybuilders pose on stage nude, that’s all good with me. I do have issues, however, with people who are basically dishonest. To me you either think all of us who visit this web site are morons or you are completely lost in some fantasy and therefore out of touch with reality. Either way, I find your posts offensive.

                            Jay
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                            • #89
                              Well, I guess this is it

                              PrimeMuscle,

                              I'll just answer your remarks, then go:

                              "You argue that less (or nothing) is better when it comes to bodybuilders posing. This could be true, I’m not sure. Your argument doesn’t follow suit though. By that I mean you make too much of your point. This would apply to both the written word in which you overstate and repeat your argument and your attached photographs which are hardly an honest representation of anything pertaining to pro bodybuilding."

                              I apologize for my lack of writing skills. I did not go to college, and writing comes very difficult to me.


                              "Frankly, I have doubts about your story in which a bunch of guys and a few women spontaneously have a mock bodybuilding contest in a pole barn with half of them nude and the other half dressed in posers. Tell me this; did any of the women pose sans posers? Actual photographs, had that been possible might have helped make your story more believable. However, I suspect it is difficult, if not impossible, to photograph something that is completely born of your fantasies."

                              Well, I think you misinterpreted me. Again, I apologize for this. The misunderstanding may very well be my fault, as I do not write well. What I tried to say was not that a bunch of guys and girls did this. In fact, it was only a few of us, and we were all guys. We have to work out in the barn (and a few basements) because there are no gyms in our area. We did have a somewhat spontaneous contest, but it was not a big deal. This wasn't a professional show. It was us goofing around. The audience was about 12 other people - just other friends, a few brothers, and a couple of girlfriends. No girls competed. I'm sorry if this strikes you as fantasy. It really wasn't that big of a deal to any of us, but it did happen.


                              "So you attach what are supposed to be representative photographs. One of them is of a guy wearing a poser where we can’t help but notice his equipment because the photograph is morphed to make it appear that his posing suit is transparent."

                              I don't know anything about morphing. I'm not even sure I know what it means. The photo of the guy in the blue suit came from a website about bodybuilding. The address for that photo specifically is:

                              http://www.spotfot.com/Gallery/v/200...son/?g2_page=4

                              The general address for that bodybuilder is:

                              http://www.spotfot.com/Gallery/v/200...Cup/?g2_page=2

                              And the site itself is at:

                              http://www.spotfot.com/Gallery/v/

                              The contest where this guy posed was the 2006 Emerald Cup. I think the date was May 21, 2006. I didn't have anything to do with what he was wearing, or how it came out on the computer screen. There are several photos of this guy, so you can check this out for yourself.

                              "I have no issues with nudity. If at some point bodybuilders pose on stage nude, that’s all good with me. I do have issues, however, with people who are basically dishonest. To me you either think all of us who visit this web site are morons or you are completely lost in some fantasy and therefore out of touch with reality. Either way, I find your posts offensive."

                              I'm very sorry you find my posts offensive. I won't post again.

                              Stephen Dunn

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                              • #90
                                Apology

                                Stephen,

                                Please accept my apology. Clearly, in rereading what I posted to you, I was excessively critical and unkind. I am sorry for that. Perhaps, I could use some work not only on my writing skills, but on my ability or employ some degree of empathy and understanding for other people’s perspectives.

                                Thank you for providing the link to Goreal Hudson’s pictures. Once again, I seem to have jumped to an erroneous conclusion about his photos being morphed. The guy seems to just be plain well endowed and the suit particularly tight fitting. He is actually pretty hot looking, I think. And you’re right about one thing; if a guy wears a poser that does so little to conceal his manhood, why bother wearing anything at all. In fact, his poser does draw the eye to what it may or may not have been intended to cover.

                                Maybe I am a little jealous of you. In all my years of bodybuilding, I have yet to have an experience like the one you had in the pole barn. Chances are, if I had been there, I would have really enjoyed it. Exhibitionism in a congenial setting is something that really turns me on. I would have definitely been one of the guys who posed naked. Did you wear a poser or pose sans poser? So, I guess I accused you of having my fantasy, as it were. Where is this pole barn located, exactly? When is the next posing session? Can I participate? See what I mean? You have my attention.

                                I sincerely hope that you will reconsider your decision not to post on this website; I believe you do have much to offer. Additionally, there is absolutely nothing wrong with your writing skills, you write very intelligently. Incidentally, I too am not a college graduate.

                                Again, please do accept my apology.

                                Primemuscle

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